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	<title>Comments on: Interesting Posts on HP, Sept 10</title>
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		<title>By: Allan Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term I remember hearing is a &quot;privacy valdez&quot; of some sort.  I came across this headline from 2003: &quot;EXXON VALDEZ OF DATA LEAKS MAY HAVE HAPPENED&quot;  (Toronto Star D1, 2/17/2003 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.e-commercealert.com/article566.html)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.e-commercealert.com/article566.html)&lt;/a&gt;
Valdez hasn&#039;t had much effect on data protection, so maybe it will take the equivalent of a chernobyl.  I think that would involve the widespread *abuse* of a large and sympathetic group.  This would not be basic identifier fraud on a small scale, but a set of personal data that is so widely abused that the data subjects essentially lose the ability to generate new breeder documents. It would have to be a concentrated group, tracable to a specific breach.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term I remember hearing is a &#8220;privacy valdez&#8221; of some sort.  I came across this headline from 2003: &#8220;EXXON VALDEZ OF DATA LEAKS MAY HAVE HAPPENED&#8221;  (Toronto Star D1, 2/17/2003 <a href="http://www.e-commercealert.com/article566.html)" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.e-commercealert.com/article566.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.e-commercealert.com/article566.html</a>)<br />
Valdez hasn&#8217;t had much effect on data protection, so maybe it will take the equivalent of a chernobyl.  I think that would involve the widespread *abuse* of a large and sympathetic group.  This would not be basic identifier fraud on a small scale, but a set of personal data that is so widely abused that the data subjects essentially lose the ability to generate new breeder documents. It would have to be a concentrated group, tracable to a specific breach.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brodbeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brodbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that&#039;s been sort of nagging at me: Isn&#039;t &quot;pretexting&quot; just another word for what hackers used to call &quot;social engineering?&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that&#8217;s been sort of nagging at me: Isn&#8217;t &#8220;pretexting&#8221; just another word for what hackers used to call &#8220;social engineering?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wpn</title>
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		<dc:creator>wpn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, McNealy did backpedal somewhat when it came time for his OWN personal data to get lost:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/25/ernst_young_mcnealy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/25/ernst_young_mcnealy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/25/ernst_young_mcnealy/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Which is to say, after all this, the board is confident it can leak with impunity. &lt;/i&gt;
Oooo, &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; hit the nail right on the thumb.  Great point.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, McNealy did backpedal somewhat when it came time for his OWN personal data to get lost:  <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/25/ernst_young_mcnealy/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/25/ernst_young_mcnealy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/25/ernst_young_mcnealy/</a><br />
<i>Which is to say, after all this, the board is confident it can leak with impunity. </i><br />
Oooo, <i>that</i> hit the nail right on the thumb.  Great point.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kaminsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kaminsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McNealy&#039;s Law, of course, being &quot;You have no privacy.  Get over it.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McNealy&#8217;s Law, of course, being &#8220;You have no privacy.  Get over it.&#8221;</p>
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