Comments on: Dear Secure Computing: Screw You, Too.

By: Iang

Iang — Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:24:58 +0000

EC's RDF feed at http://www.emergentchaos.com/index.rdf might be broken. Here's what Firefox says, and Thunderbird no longer reads it: XML Parsing Error: not well-formed Location: http://www.emergentchaos.com/index.rdf Line Number 59, Column 30:I find 3. hard to believe.

By: Mr. X

Mr. X — Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:23:01 +0000

My employer uses a default SmartFilter install.
attrition: not blocked. emergentchaos: blocked.

By: Christian Koch

Christian Koch — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:11:48 +0000

You would be amazed at some of the sites I have come across that SmartFilter blocks. SC SmartFilter “Categorizers” must be miserable having that job :O
On another note, some companies need to get a grip on what categories they block users from browsing.

By: dan

dan — Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:53:21 +0000

I am just speaking as someone who has had to go through this process. I have included the link I used below to request a site evaluation and find out the category. http://www.securecomputing.com/index.cfm?sKey=234

By: Adam

Adam — Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:25:09 +0000

Lyger,
I don’t know. I haven’t contracted to perform QA on Secure Computing’s database. I have no idea what their categories are, or which ones we might fit into, nor do I care to.
As I said, if someone would care to figure it out, great! As to our being a “message board or forum” it seems an odd description-I do wish we got more comments, but is anything with a comment link a forum?

By: Chris

Chris — Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:11:39 +0000

OK.
So, CNN is categorized as “General News”, and is I presume not blocked by default. EC is “Gen. News, Forum/Bulletin Boards”. I conclude, therefore, that by default all Forum/Bulletin Board sites known to Secure Computing are blocked by default.
That would seem excessive.
For comparison, SurfControl is unaware of EC :^), and
Websense categorizes it as “Message Boards and Clubs”.
I do not know whether, out of the box, Websense blocks this category. I hope not, since I suspect the common deployment case would be one in which the customer would not want this.

By: Lyger

Lyger — Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:04:37 +0000

For the record:
Attrition.org is generally blocked by most commercial web filters since it is usually placed in the “hacking” catagory. In the last two weeks, we contacted a rather large web filter vendor to have the site reviewed and ask for a recatagorization. Know what? It worked. Attrition.org is now (more accurately) listed as
“Computer/Internet Security” by that company.
Re: comment regarding “For those are the ones who make the conscious decision to block your site.”: I see absolutely no valid business reason why any company would consciously add EC to their blocked sites. If any network admin has THAT much time on their hands, cutbacks should be in order. Clearly an invalid argument.
Adam and/or Dan: Since EC generally does deal with security and privacy, is there a method that can be used to ask Secure Computing to recat the site? Web, phone, or other?

By: Adam

Adam — Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:37:20 +0000

Actually, Dan, I do look to Secure Computing. They’re the ones who 1) select sites arbitrarily and 2) categorize them such that administrators whack sites with a broad sledge hammer, rather than precision response.
The reader who contacted me is in a position to know that his organization didn’t make a concious decision to block my site: you did.
Actually, I should ask, are you speaking for your employer here?

By: dan

dan — Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:44:29 +0000

Ok, Adam the deal is that http://www.emergentchaos.com/ is categorized as "General News, Forum/Bulletin Boards". This sounds accurate to me from looking around. The Smart Filter software blocks on these categories and gives network administrators the option to configure any web sties or categories they would like to allow or block. Don’t look at Secure Computing if your readers can’t get through have them complain to their network administrators. For those are the ones who make the conscious decision to block your site.

By: Chris

Chris — Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:07:10 +0000

?????? to that, Arthur. And without the wine.