Comments on: Praises for the TSA http://emergentchaos.com/archives/2008/06/praises-for-the-tsa.html The Emergent Chaos Jazz Combo Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:02:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dan Weber http://emergentchaos.com/archives/2008/06/praises-for-the-tsa.html/comment-page-1#comment-4737 Dan Weber Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:54:22 +0000 http://emergentchaos.com/?p=2788#comment-4737 Orv, no one checks my ID before I drive. An officer can demand it during a traffic stop, but that generally requires probable cause. PS. IANAL. Orv, no one checks my ID before I drive. An officer can demand it during a traffic stop, but that generally requires probable cause.
PS. IANAL.

]]> By: Alex http://emergentchaos.com/archives/2008/06/praises-for-the-tsa.html/comment-page-1#comment-4736 Alex Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:48:22 +0000 http://emergentchaos.com/?p=2788#comment-4736 @Orv: Ostensibly, my ID for driving gives authorities some assurance that I have the minimum ability needed to operate a motor vehicle - that I know about street signs and speed limits and how long prior to/after sunset/sunrise I should put on my lights, etc... I don't think any special training (other than the seatbelt overhead O2 thingy that the flight attendants do) is needed to ride in an airplane. @Orv:
Ostensibly, my ID for driving gives authorities some assurance that I have the minimum ability needed to operate a motor vehicle – that I know about street signs and speed limits and how long prior to/after sunset/sunrise I should put on my lights, etc…
I don’t think any special training (other than the seatbelt overhead O2 thingy that the flight attendants do) is needed to ride in an airplane.

]]> By: Orv http://emergentchaos.com/archives/2008/06/praises-for-the-tsa.html/comment-page-1#comment-4735 Orv Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:13:02 +0000 http://emergentchaos.com/?p=2788#comment-4735 I'm curious if you all also feel that we shouldn't be required to have ID when driving. I guess I have trouble feeling like this is a unique invasion of privacy when ID is required for so many other situations, most of them involving much less of a security threat. I’m curious if you all also feel that we shouldn’t be required to have ID when driving. I guess I have trouble feeling like this is a unique invasion of privacy when ID is required for so many other situations, most of them involving much less of a security threat.

]]> By: Nathaniel H. http://emergentchaos.com/archives/2008/06/praises-for-the-tsa.html/comment-page-1#comment-4734 Nathaniel H. Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:26:04 +0000 http://emergentchaos.com/?p=2788#comment-4734 Comrades! Good news from the western front! @beri:"We already know that these rules don't deter terrorists, but they provide lots of new jobs for the otherwise unemployable." -- And people say the government doesn't help create jobs! I find this rule particularly interesting. Mainly because I tend to get extra attention from the TSA at certain points in time (directly related to the length of my beard). I find it a rather statistical improbability of getting the full search both ways during a flight to Virginia Beach, although I did have a wonderful talk with a TSA agent about his Blockbuster Online subscription. You guys wouldn't believe what conversational items they find while rooting through all your goods. From a pure usability perspective, and my hatred for airports, I tend to just have my ID ready to go when showing my ticket to the TSA Entrance Kommisar. Basically, I want the smoothest experience possible because I expect to get jerked around by an air carrier at some point in time during the day. Comrades! Good news from the western front!
@beri:”We already know that these rules don’t deter terrorists, but they provide lots of new jobs for the otherwise unemployable.” — And people say the government doesn’t help create jobs!
I find this rule particularly interesting. Mainly because I tend to get extra attention from the TSA at certain points in time (directly related to the length of my beard). I find it a rather statistical improbability of getting the full search both ways during a flight to Virginia Beach, although I did have a wonderful talk with a TSA agent about his Blockbuster Online subscription. You guys wouldn’t believe what conversational items they find while rooting through all your goods.
From a pure usability perspective, and my hatred for airports, I tend to just have my ID ready to go when showing my ticket to the TSA Entrance Kommisar. Basically, I want the smoothest experience possible because I expect to get jerked around by an air carrier at some point in time during the day.

]]> By: beri http://emergentchaos.com/archives/2008/06/praises-for-the-tsa.html/comment-page-1#comment-4733 beri Mon, 09 Jun 2008 08:33:18 +0000 http://emergentchaos.com/?p=2788#comment-4733 Re Alex's post: 3) Have ID ready so that the idiots will admit him to the "secure area" of the airport with no hassle. We already know that these rules don't deter terrorists, but they provide lots of new jobs for the otherwise unemployable. Re Alex’s post:
3) Have ID ready so that the idiots will admit him to the “secure area” of the airport with no hassle.
We already know that these rules don’t deter terrorists, but they provide lots of new jobs for the otherwise unemployable.

]]> By: Alex http://emergentchaos.com/archives/2008/06/praises-for-the-tsa.html/comment-page-1#comment-4732 Alex Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:39:27 +0000 http://emergentchaos.com/?p=2788#comment-4732 So if you're *stupid*, and forget/lose your ID it's OK, the TSA forgives you. If you're *smart* and refuse on the basis of individual rights, however, well, then we're gonna have to have a little talk... The real bullcrap about this is that it's not going to stop "terrorists". If a "terrorist" is trying to board a plane without ID and an intent to do harm - what's he going to do: 1.) Act all naive and helpless and say his ID was lost/forgotten/stolen or 2.) Refuse to produce ID on the basis of his rights as an individual Hmmmmmmmm..... Hmmmmmmmmmm....... So if you’re *stupid*, and forget/lose your ID it’s OK, the TSA forgives you. If you’re *smart* and refuse on the basis of individual rights, however, well, then we’re gonna have to have a little talk…
The real bullcrap about this is that it’s not going to stop “terrorists”. If a “terrorist” is trying to board a plane without ID and an intent to do harm – what’s he going to do:
1.) Act all naive and helpless and say his ID was lost/forgotten/stolen
or
2.) Refuse to produce ID on the basis of his rights as an individual
Hmmmmmmmm….. Hmmmmmmmmmm…….

]]> By: Dan Weber http://emergentchaos.com/archives/2008/06/praises-for-the-tsa.html/comment-page-1#comment-4731 Dan Weber Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:40:16 +0000 http://emergentchaos.com/?p=2788#comment-4731 <blockquote>This change will apply exclusively to individuals that simply refuse to provide any identification or assist transportation security officers in ascertaining their identity.</blockquote>I'm happy to assist them in ascertaining my identity. So why is it my fault that they don't know how to play charades?

This change will apply exclusively to individuals that simply refuse to provide any identification or assist transportation security officers in ascertaining their identity.

I’m happy to assist them in ascertaining my identity. So why is it my fault that they don’t know how to play charades?

]]> By: tovarisch http://emergentchaos.com/archives/2008/06/praises-for-the-tsa.html/comment-page-1#comment-4730 tovarisch Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:52:19 +0000 http://emergentchaos.com/?p=2788#comment-4730 I say we call this directive the John Gilmore - Suck On This rule. I say we call this directive the John Gilmore – Suck On This rule.

]]> By: Chris http://emergentchaos.com/archives/2008/06/praises-for-the-tsa.html/comment-page-1#comment-4729 Chris Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:51:47 +0000 http://emergentchaos.com/?p=2788#comment-4729 I, for one, salute our blog-renaming bandleader overlord, and remind him.... I, for one, salute our blog-renaming bandleader overlord, and remind him….

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