The slides from my Blackhat talk, “Threat Modeling in 2018: Attacks, Impacts and Other Updates” are now available either as a PDF or online viewer.
The slides from my Blackhat talk, “Threat Modeling in 2018: Attacks, Impacts and Other Updates” are now available either as a PDF or online viewer.
Since I wrote my book on the topic, people have been asking me “what’s new in threat modeling?” My Blackhat talk is my answer to that question, and it’s been taking up the time that I’d otherwise be devoting to the series.
As I’ve been practicing my talk*, I discovered that there’s more new than I thought, and I may not be able to fit in everything I want to talk about in 50 minutes. But it’s coming together nicely.
The current core outline is:
And of course, because it’s 2018, there’s cat videos and emoji to augment logic. Yeah, that’s the word. Augment. 🤷♂️
Wednesday, August 8 at 2:40 PM.
* Oh, and note to anyone speaking anywhere, and especially large events like Blackhat — as the speaker resources say: practice, practice, practice.
Over at the Leviathan blog, Crispin Cowan writes about “The Calculus Of Threat Modeling.” Crispin and I have collaborated and worked together over the years, and our approaches are explicitly aligned around the four question frame.
One of the places where Crispin goes deeper is definitional. He’s very precise about what a security principal is:
A principal is any active entity in system with access privileges that are in any way distinct from some other component it talks to. Corollary: a principal is defined by its domain of access (the set of things it has access to). Domains of access can, and often do, overlap, but that they are different is what makes a security principal distinct.
This also leads to the definition of attack surface (where principals interact), trust boundaries (the sum of the attack surfaces) and security boundaries (trust boundaries for which the engineers will fight). These are more well-defined than I tend to have, and I think it’s a good set of definitions, or perhaps a good step forward in the discussion if you disagree.
His approach adds much more explicit description of principals who own elements of the diagram, and several self-check steps (“Ask again if we have all the connections..”) I think of these as part of “did we do a good job?” and it’s great to integrate such checks on an ongoing basis, rather than treating it as a step at the end.
Here Crispin has assessing complexity and mitigations. Assessing complexity is an interesting approach — a great many vulnerabilities appear on the most complex interfaces, and I think it’s a useful strategy, similar to ‘easy fixes first’ for a prioritization approach.
He also has “c. Be sure to take a picture of the white board after the team is done describing the system.” “d. Go home and create a threat model diagram.” These are interesting steps, and I think deserve some discussion as to form (I think this is part of ‘what are we working on?’) and function. To function, we already have “a threat model diagram,” and a record of it, in the picture of the whiteboard. I’m nitpicking here for two very specific reasons. First, the implication that what was done isn’t a threat model diagram isn’t accurate, and second, as the agile world likes to ask “why are you doing this work?”
I also want to ask, is there a reason to go from whiteboard to Visio? Also, as Crispin says, he’s not simply transcribing, he’s doing some fairly nuanced technical editing, “Collapse together any nodes that are actually executing as the same security principal.” That means you can’t hand off the work to a graphic designer, but you need an expensive security person to re-consider the whiteboard diagram. There are times that’s important. If the diagram will be shown widely across many meetings; if the diagram will go outside the organization, say, to regulators; if the engineering process is waterfall-like.
Crispin says that tools are substitutes for expertise, and that (a? the?) best practice is for a security expert and the engineers to talk. I agree, this is a good way to do it — I also like to train the engineers to do this without security experts each time.
And that brings me to the we/you distinction. Crispin conveys the four question frame in the second person (What are you doing, what did you do about it), and I try to use the first person plural (we; what are we doing). Saying ‘we’ focuses on collaboration, on dialogue, on exploration. Saying ‘you’ frames this as a review, a discussion, and who knows, possibly a fight. Both of us used that frame at a prior employer, and today when I consult, I use it because I’m really not part of the doing team.
That said, I think this was a super-interesting post for the definitions, and for showing the diagram evolution and the steps taken from a whiteboard to a completed, colored diagram.
The image is the frontspiece of Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes, with its famous model of the state, made up of the people.
I have a new essay at Dark Reading, “‘EFAIL’ Is Why We Can’t Have Golden Keys.” It starts:
There’s a newly announced set of issues labeled the “EFAIL encryption flaw” that reduces the security of PGP and S/MIME emails. Some of the issues are about HTML email parsing, others are about the use of CBC encryption. All show how hard it is to engineer secure systems, especially when those systems are composed of many components that had disparate design goals.
When I think about how to threat model well, one of the elements that is most important is how much people need to keep in their heads, the cognitive load if you will.
In reading Charlie Stross’s blog post, “Writer, Interrupted” this paragraph really jumped out at me:
One thing that coding and writing fiction have in common is that both tasks require the participant to hold huge amounts of information in their head, in working memory. In the case of the programmer, they may be tracing a variable or function call through the context of a project distributed across many source files, and simultaneously maintaining awareness of whatever complex APIs the object of their attention is interacting with. In the case of the author, they may be holding a substantial chunk of the plot of a novel (or worse, an entire series) in their head, along with a model of the mental state of the character they’re focussing on, and a list of secondary protagonists, while attempting to ensure that the individual sentence they’re currently crafting is consistent with the rest of the body of work.
One of the reasons that I’m fond of diagrams is that they allow the threat modelers to migrate information out of their heads into a diagram, making room for thinking about threats.
Lately, I’ve been thinking a lot about threat modeling tools, including some pretty interesting tools for automated discovery of existing architecture from code. That’s pretty neat, and it dramatically cuts the cost of getting started. Reducing effort, or cost, is inherently good. Sometimes, the reduction in effort is an unalloyed good, that is, any tradeoffs are so dwarfed by benefits as to be unarguable. Sometimes, you lose things that might be worth keeping, either as a hobby like knitting or in the careful chef preparing a fine meal.
I think a lot about where drawing diagrams on a whiteboard falls. It has a cost, and that cost can be high. “Assemble a team of architect, developer, test lead, business analyst, operations and networking” reads one bit of advice. That’s a lot of people for a cross-functional meeting.
That meeting can be a great way to find disconnects in what people conceive of building. And there’s a difference between drawing a diagram and being handed a diagram. I want to draw that out a little bit and ask for your help in understanding the tradeoffs and when they might and might not be appropriate. (Gary McGraw is fond of saying that getting these people in a room and letting them argue is the most important step in “architectural risk analysis.” I think it’s tremendously valuable, and having structures, tools and methods to help them avoid ratholes and path dependency is a big win.)
So what are the advantages and disadvantages of each?
(Of course, there are apps that help you take images from a whiteboard and improve them, for example, Best iOS OCR Scanning Apps, which I’m ignoring for purposes of teasing things out a bit. Operationally, probably worth digging into.)
I’d love your thoughts: are there other advantages or disadvantages of a whiteboard or software?
No, seriously. Articles like “Microsoft Secure Boot key debacle causes security panic” and “Bungling Microsoft singlehandedly proves that golden backdoor keys are a terrible idea” draw on words in an advisory to say that this is all about golden keys and secure boot. This post is not intended to attack anyone; researchers, journalists or Microsoft, but to address a rather inflammatory claim that’s being repeated.
Based on my read of a advisory copy (which I made because I cannot read words on an animated background (yes, I’m a grumpy old man (who uses too many parentheticals (especially when I’m sick)))), this is a nice discovery of an authorization failure.
What they found is:
The “supplemental” policy contains new elements, for the merging conditions. These conditions are (well, at one time) unchecked by bootmgr when loading a legacy policy. And bootmgr of win10 v1511 and earlier certainly doesn’t know about them. To those bootmgrs, it has just loaded in a perfectly valid, signed policy. The “supplemental” policy does NOT contain a DeviceID. And, because they were meant to be merged into a base policy, they don’t contain any BCD rules either, which means that if they are loaded, you can enable testsigning.
That’s a fine discovery and a nice vuln. There are ways Microsoft might have designed this better, I’m going to leave those for another day.
Where the post goes off the rails, in my view, is this:
About the FBI: are you reading this? If you are, then this is a perfect real world example about why your idea of backdooring cryptosystems with a “secure golden key” is very bad! Smarter people than me have been telling this to you for so long, it seems you have your fingers in your ears. You seriously don’t understand still? Microsoft implemented a “secure golden key” system. And the golden keys got released from MS own stupidity. Now, what happens if you tell everyone to make a “secure golden key” system?  (Bracketed numbers added – Adam)
So, , no they did not.  No it didn’t.  Even a stopped clock …
You could design a system in which there’s a master key, and accidentally release that key. Based on the advisory, Microsoft has not done that. (I have not talked to anyone at MS about this issue; I might have talked to people about the overall design, but don’t recall having done so.) What this is is an authorization system with a design flaw. As far as I can tell, no keys have been released.
Look, there are excellent reasons to not design a “golden key” system. I talked about them at a fundamental engineering level in my threat modeling book, and posted the excerpt in “Threat Modeling Crypto Back Doors.”
The typical way the phrase “golden key” is used (albiet fuzzily) is that there is a golden key which unlocks communications. That is a bad idea. This is not that, and we as engineers or advocates should not undercut our position on that bad idea by referring to this research as if it really impacts on that “debate.”
I’ve repeatedly spoken out against “think like an attacker.”
Now I’m going to argue from authority. In this long article, “The Obama Doctrine,” the President of the United States says “The degree of tribal division in Libya was greater than our analysts had expected.”
So let’s think about that statement and what it means. First, it means that the multi-billion dollar analytic apparatus of the United States made a mistake, a serious one about which the President cares, because it impacted his foreign policy. Second, that mistake was about how people think. Third, that group of people was a society, and one that has interacted with the United States since, oh, I don’t know, someone wrote words like “From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.” (And dig the Marines, kickin’ it old skool with that video.) Fourth, it was not a group that attempts to practice operational security in any way.
So if we consider that the analytical capability of the US can get that wrong, do you really want to try to think like Anonymous, think like 61398, like 8200? Are you going to do this perfectly, or are there chances to make mistakes? Alternately, do you want to require everyone who threat models to know how attackers think? Understanding how other people think and prioritize requires a great deal of work. There are entire fields, like anthropology and sociology dedicated to doing it well. Should we start our defense by reading books on the motivational structures of the PLA or the IDF?
The simple fact is, you don’t need to. You can start from what people are building or deploying. (I wrote a book on how.) The second simple fact is repeating that phrase upsets people. When I first joined Microsoft, I used that phrase. One day, a developer grabbed me after a meeting, and politely told me that he didn’t understand it. Oh, wait, this was Microsoft in 2006. He told me I was a fucking idiot and I should give useful advice. After a bit more conversation, he also told me that he had no idea how the fuck an attacker thought, and if I thought he had time to read a book to learn about it, I could write the goddamned features customers pay for while he read.
Every time someone tells me to think like an attacker, I think about that conversation. I appreciate the honesty that the fellow showed, if not his manner. But (as Dave Weinstein pointed out) “A generalized form of this would be ‘Stop giving developers completely un-actionable “guidance”.’ Now, Dave and I worked together at Microsoft, so maybe there’s a similar experience in his past.
Now, this does not mean that we don’t need to pay attention to what real attackers do. It means that we don’t need to walk a mile in their shoes to defend effectively against it.
Previously, “Think Like An Attacker?,” “The Discipline of “think like an attacker”,” and “Think Like An Attacker? Flip that advice!.” [Edited, also previously, at the New School blog: “Modeling Attackers and Their Motives.”]
One of the values of models is they can help us engage in areas where otherwise the detail is overwhelming. For example, C is a model of how a CPU works that allows engineers to defer certain details to the compiler, rather than writing in assembler. It empowers software developers to write for many CPU architectures at once. Many security flaws happen in areas the models simplify. For example, what if the stack grew away from the stack pointer, rather than towards it? The layout of the stack is a detail that is modeled away.
Information security is a broad industry, requiring and rewarding specialization. We often see intense specialization, which can naturally result in building expertise in silos, and tribal separation of knowledge create more gaps. At the same time, there is a stereotype that generalists end up focused on policy, or “risk management” where a lack of technical depth can hide. (That’s not to say that all risk managers are generalists or that there’s not real technical depth to some of them.)
If we want to enable more security generalists, and we want those generalists to remain grounded, we need to make it easier to learn about new areas. Part of that is good models, part of that is good exercises that appropriately balance challenge to skill level, part of that is the availability of mentoring, and I’m sure there are other parts I’m missing.
I enjoyed many things about Michael Zalewski’s book “The Tangled Web.” One thing I wanted was a better way to keep track of who attacks whom, to help me contextualize and remember the attacks. But such a model is not trivial to create. This morning, motivated by a conversation between Trey Ford and Chris Rohlf, I decided to take a stab at drafting a model for thinking about where the trust boundaries exist.
The words which open my threat modeling book are “all models are wrong, some models are useful.” I would appreciate feedback on this model. What’s missing, and why does it matter? What attacks require showing a new element in this software model?
[Update 1 — please leave comments here, not on Twitter]
I could be convinced otherwise, but think that the supply chain is best addressed by a separate model. Having a secure installation and update mechanism is an important mitigation of many types of bugs, but this model is for thinking about the boundaries between the components.
In reviewing the protection profile, it mentions the following threats:
|Malicious updates||Out of scope (supply chain)|
|Malicious/flawed add on||Out of scope (supply chain)|
|Network eavesdropping/attack||Not showing all the data flows for simplicity (is this the right call?)|
|Data access||Local storage is shown|
Also, the protection profile is 88 pages long, and hard to engage with. While it provides far more detail and allows me to cross-check the software model, it doesn’t help me think about interactions between components.
End update 1]
For many years, I have been saying that “think like an attacker” is bad advice for most people. For example:
Here’s what’s wrong with think like an attacker: most people have no clue how to do it. They don’t know what matters to an attacker. They don’t know how an attacker spends their day. They don’t know how an attacker approaches a problem. Telling people to think like an attacker isn’t prescriptive or clear.
And I’ve been challenging people to think like a professional chef to help them understand why it’s not useful advice. But now, I’ve been one-upped, and, depending on audience, I have a new line to use.
Last week, on Veracode’s blog, Pete Chestna provides the perfect flip of “think like an attacker” to re-frame problems for security people. It’s “think like a developer.” If you, oh great security guru, cannot think like a developer, for heavens sake, stop asking developers to think like attackers.
For Star Wars day, I’m happy to share this event poster for my talk at Ada’s Books in Seattle
Technical Presentation: Adam Shostack shares Threat Modeling Lessons with Star Wars.
This will be a less technical talk with plenty of discussion and interactivity, drawing on some of the content from “Security Lessons from Star Wars,” adapted for a more general audience.
John Kelsey had some great things to say a comment on “Think Like An Attacker.” I’ve excerpted some key bits to respond to them here.
Perhaps the most important is to get the designer to stop looking for reasons attacks are impossible, and start looking for reasons they’re possible. That’s a pattern I’ve seen over and over again–smart people who really know their system also usually like their system, and want it to be secure. And so they spend a lot of time thinking about why their system is secure. “Nobody could steal our PIN because we encrypt it with triple-DES.”
So this is a great goal. I have two questions: first, is it reasonable? How many people can really step outside their design and regard it with a new perspective? How many people can then analyze the security of a system they’ve designed? (Is there a formal name for this problem? I call it ‘creator-blindness.’) I’m not sure exhorting people to think like an attacker helps. This problem isn’t unique to security, which brings me to my second question: is it effective? I was once taught to read my writing aloud as a way of finding mistakes. I teach people to diagram their system and then use a system we call “STRIDE per element” to help people look at it. By giving people a structure for analysis, we help them step outside of that creator frame.
A second goal of that “think like an attacker” exhortation is to get people to realize that, in order to know whether their system is secure, they need to learn something about what tools and resources an attacker is likely to have.
So, for a moment, let’s assume that this is a reasonable goal, and one we can expect every developer who hears the phrase to go pursue. Where do they go? How much time should they devote to it? Again, I’m not talking about the use of the phrase within the security engineering community, but in software engineering more generally. Secondly (again), there’s the question of “is this the most effective way to push people?”
Third, there’s a mindset of being an attacker. I don’t know how to teach that. It’s not just about intelligence–I’ve worked with stunningly brilliant people who don’t seem to have that mindset, and with people who are much less brilliant in that brute-force impressive brain sense, but who just seem to have the right kind of mind to break stuff.
Well, that I can’t argue with. All I’ll say is that we’ve been exhorting people to think like attackers for years, and it hasn’t helped.
I believe that security analysis is a skill which can be taught. The best have both talent and have worked to develop that talent. I hope and expect that we can figure out how to do so. Figuring that out will involve figuring out what pedagogic approaches have failed, so we can set them aside, and make room for experimentation, chaos, and — we hope — actual improvements. I believe that, when asked of non-security experts, the ‘think like an attacker’ is on that list of things we should set aside.
Finally, a side note on the title. If you’re indisciplined, feel free to skip to about 3:10.
One of the problems with being quoted in the press is that even your mom writes to you with questions like “And what’s wrong with “think like an attacker?” I think it’s good advice!”
Thanks for the confidence, mom!
Here’s what’s wrong with think like an attacker: most people have no clue how to do it. They don’t know what matters to an attacker. They don’t know how an attacker spends their day. They don’t know how an attacker approaches a problem. Telling people to think like an attacker isn’t prescriptive or clear. Some smart folks like Yoshi Kohno are trying to teach it. (I haven’t seen a report on how it’s gone.)
Even if Yoshi is succeeding, it’s hard to teach a way of thinking. It takes a quarter or more at a university. I’m not claiming that ‘think like an attacker’ isn’t teachable, but I will claim that most people don’t know how. What’s worse, the way we say it, we sometimes imply that you should be embarrassed if you can’t think like an attacker.
Lately, I’ve been challenging people to think like a professional chef. Most people have no idea how a chef spends their days, or how they approach a problem. They have no idea how to plan a menu, or how to cook a hundred or more dinners in an hour.
We need to give advice that can be followed. We need to teach people how to think about security. Repeating the “think like an attacker” mantra may be useful to a small class of well-oriented experts. For everyone else, it’s like saying “just ride the bike!” rather than teaching them step-by-step. We can and should do better at understanding people’s capabilities, giving them advice to match, and training and education to improve.
Understanding people’s capabilities, giving them advice to match and helping them improve might not be a bad description of all the announcements we made yesterday.
In particular, the new threat modeling process is built on something we expect an engineer will know: their software design. It’s a better starting point than “think like a civil engineer.”
[Update: See also my follow-up post, “The Discipline of ‘think like an attacker’.”]